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Asgard => RUNE HORDES dot INFO Dev. and Support => Topic started by: Søren Bjerg on September 30, 2004, 11:42:46 AM

Title: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Søren Bjerg on September 30, 2004, 11:42:46 AM
How should the RUNE HORDES system be re-implemented?

Traditional
The traditional implementation would be to leave the system as it is now; hordes can add themselves to the system, providing a password which they can later use to gain access to the administrative sections of a horde's information. The responsibility of keeping the horde's information up-to-date lies in the hands of the horde itself (possibly helped along by administrative personnel).

The advantage of using this kind of system is, that a horde's data are protected by the password and it's thus virtually impossible for outsiders to come in and maliciously mess up the horde's information.

On the other hand, the disadvantage of using this kind of system is, that if hordes forget about the system - deliberately or not - a horde's information can become outdated rather quickly... in worst case rendering the horde entry useless.

Wikipedia-ish, open
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia) is an "free encyclopedia" concept, where it's possible for everyone - guest users as well as users with an account - to edit the information, provided by the system, to as great an extent as desired. Seen in the context of the RUNE HORDES system, this means that administrative access to a horde's information is not a special privilege protected by a password.

The advantage of using this kind of system is, that there is no restrictions in who is allowed to update a horde's information, and there is thus a greater possibility of a horde's information being up-to-date; a visitor is browsing the system, comes by a horde the visitor is knowledgeable about, sees the information available is outdated, and updates it to help keeping it up-to-date.

On the other hand, the disadvantage of using this kind of system is, that since everyone is allowed to edit a horde's information, it's as easy to wreak havoc on the system "as stealing candy from a little child."

Wikipedia-ish, closed
This is pretty much the same as the open Wikipedia as mentioned above - only that it isn't quite the same after all. With this system it would be required for people wanting to keep the system up-to-date to register a user account (which would be approved by administrative personnel before being usable).

The advantage of using this kind of system is, that it would still be possible for people to edit a horde's information regardless of whichever horde affiliation the user has or has not. Because a user account - approved by administrative personnel - is required, it wouldn't be immediately possible for a prowler to wreak havoc on the system - if possible at all!

On the other hand, the disadvantage of using this kind of system is, that the amount of people being able to updating the system could virtually be the same as with the traditional system - if not fewer(!) due to people having to register a user account and wait for it to be approved.

Restrictive
The restrictive system restricts the access to a horde's administrative sections to only administrative personnel (meaning myself).

The advantage of using this kind of system is, that the system is in no danger whatsoever of being maliciously messed up by passing by prowlers wanting to wreak havoc on the system.

On the other hand, the disadvantage of using this kind of system is, that the possibility of a horde's information being updated falls to a very low level, where probably only the hordes I frequent the most gets their information updated - and the other hordes only if I take the time to go through them all (or random ones), one by one... which takes a lot of time!

This poll will be open for a week or two, after which the results will be analyzed and re-implementation of the system will take place. Please do reply to the thread with any comments you may have regarding the choice you made or didn't make! Doing so would be of invaluable help (as long as it's usable comments!) to me in deciding which implementation the system should be given.
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Zisu on September 30, 2004, 12:15:34 PM
"registration is currently disabled"

i vote or closed wikipedia
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Søren Bjerg on September 30, 2004, 12:33:33 PM
Heh... I'm so clever... NOT!... forgot to re-enable registrations :-[.
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Inzzz on September 30, 2004, 01:58:17 PM
Traditional
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: THE (renegade) MERCENARY on September 30, 2004, 02:04:17 PM
Closed Wikipedia, with the addition to add newsbulletins to each clan or some sort of "history" function. The news/history can be archived along with the clan info (at the bottom or something), and then a news-section of it's own, gathering all news from all clans in one page.

Go to work!  :o
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: -|HHFO|-Saint on September 30, 2004, 05:06:08 PM
VoteS: closed wikipedia
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: K!rKanoS on October 01, 2004, 01:44:03 PM
traditional
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: NewBlood on October 01, 2004, 02:32:38 PM
closed wikipedia.
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Apocalypse on October 01, 2004, 03:11:31 PM
 closed wikipedia.
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: DT on October 01, 2004, 03:31:00 PM
Closed Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Anotsu on October 01, 2004, 03:58:16 PM
Traditional
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: thyrael on October 02, 2004, 10:21:43 AM
Traditional
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Glatzerl on October 03, 2004, 06:04:16 AM
Traditional 60 %
Wikipedia-ish, closed 40% (if only well known/approved Runers can edit)
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Søren Bjerg on October 04, 2004, 01:22:51 PM
Current voting results

Traditional(http://www.runehordes.info/images/gradient_000066.png)5
Wikipedia-ish, open(http://www.runehordes.info/images/gradient_000066.png)0
Wikipedia-ish, closed(http://www.runehordes.info/images/gradient_000066.png)7
Restrictive(http://www.runehordes.info/images/gradient_000066.png)0

I have got to admit I'm pretty satisfied with the majority wanting a closed Wikipedia-ish system, because that's also the one I've been rooting for a bit myself... and to comment on Glatzerl's post; that would be the idea... that people would have to be approved by administrative personnel, and this would exclude unknown and/or untrusted runers.

The creator of a horde will of course still be able to update the horde's information - by gaining access via the usage of a password... just like it is now, so if the votes for the traditional option was because of fear of not being able to update their horde's information because of not being approved in a closed Wikipedia-ish system - this would not be the case.

The difference then is, that they would no longer be the only ones to update the information... a selection of trusted others would be able to do so too.

Mercenary; something like that is also in my plans :P.
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Thantos on October 05, 2004, 02:31:50 AM
Closed Wikipedia. I also think that an update history would be nice.  :)
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Søren Bjerg on October 06, 2004, 01:02:23 PM
The current implementation of the system does include a changelog (update history), but it's only visible to administrative personnel... in the re-implementation the changelog will be public.
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Søren Bjerg on October 07, 2004, 01:22:19 PM
Midway voting results

Traditional(http://www.runehordes.info/images/gradient_000066.png)5
Wikipedia-ish, open(http://www.runehordes.info/images/gradient_000066.png)0
Wikipedia-ish, closed(http://www.runehordes.info/images/gradient_000066.png)9
Restrictive(http://www.runehordes.info/images/gradient_000066.png)0

Only a couple of more votes since last results overview, but seeing how the poll is halfway completed, I figured it'd be appropriate to have one again.

Sometime in near future a new thread will be opened for ideas on functionality wanting in a system - all the way from the scratch (I'll make sure most of the current functionality I want to carry over to the new version gets included - I do have a couple of things, which will be eliminated).
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Ba'alzamon on October 11, 2004, 11:55:52 AM
closed wikipedia
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Søren Bjerg on October 13, 2004, 08:13:57 AM
Final voting results

Traditional(http://www.runehordes.info/images/gradient_000066.png)5
Wikipedia-ish, open(http://www.runehordes.info/images/gradient_000066.png)0
Wikipedia-ish, closed(http://www.runehordes.info/images/gradient_000066.png)10
Restrictive(http://www.runehordes.info/images/gradient_000066.png)0

One single vote more than a couple of days ago, and thus the final vote to be cast in this discussion... and today I'll begin re-implementing the system according to the results: a closed Wikipedia-ish system...

...and this is how just that is going to work in praxis;

Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Ba\'al on October 17, 2004, 09:47:16 AM
how will be decided who gets int his special member group?
do we need to add ourselves again after this big change in the system?
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Søren Bjerg on October 17, 2004, 09:54:16 AM
how will be decided who gets int his special member group?
do we need to add ourselves again after this big change in the system?

It's done via membergroups in this very forum, so if you've already got a useraccount, there's no need to get a new one... as the existing one can be put into the membergroup allowing global administrative access throughout the system.

If you meant adding the hordes to the system again - as in the system will be cleared with the re-implementation of it; nope... if the database won't be directly used, it'll be converted so all existing data will be preserved.
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Ba'alzamon on October 20, 2004, 03:56:10 PM
k, super :)
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Søren Bjerg on October 24, 2004, 02:57:33 PM
Hopefully I can pull myself together to start getting the system re-developed from the bottom sometime tomorrow - getting rid of some annoying little bugs as soon as possible... although one does kind of make sense, yet still retaining bug status;

If a horde is "put to sleep", setting the activity level to "dead", all the horde's members are also "put to sleep". Afterwards, if the horde is revived by setting the activity level to "active" or "inactive", but not reviving any of its members, the horde is not being shown anywhere on the horde listing... meaning one has to search for it to find it.

 :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Søren Bjerg on November 04, 2004, 05:58:06 PM
how will be decided who gets int his special member group?
do we need to add ourselves again after this big change in the system?

[...]

If you meant adding the hordes to the system again - as in the system will be cleared with the re-implementation of it; nope... if the database won't be directly used, it'll be converted so all existing data will be preserved.

Change of plans; the system, when in its final re-implemented state, is not going to be "populated" by hordes... so they will have to be re-added to the system. This is mostly because it would be too tedious to write a converter to move over the data to the new system, but also for other reasons I won't get into right now.

Began writing a converter (to populate the system with hordes from the beginning) last night and finished it not long ago, and it wasn't as tedious to do as I feared it would. I havn't testrun it yet, though, so I don't know if it actually does work as it should - only time will tell :o.
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Søren Bjerg on November 05, 2004, 11:20:34 PM
how will be decided who gets int his special member group?
do we need to add ourselves again after this big change in the system?

[...]

If you meant adding the hordes to the system again - as in the system will be cleared with the re-implementation of it; nope... if the database won't be directly used, it'll be converted so all existing data will be preserved.

Change of plans; the system, when in its final re-implemented state, is not going to be "populated" by hordes... so they will have to be re-added to the system. This is mostly because it would be too tedious to write a converter to move over the data to the new system, but also for other reasons I won't get into right now.

Began writing a converter (to populate the system with hordes from the beginning) last night and finished it not long ago, and it wasn't as tedious to do as I feared it would. I havn't testrun it yet, though, so I don't know if it actually does work as it should - only time will tell :o.

Excellent... works flawlessly (after fixing a little here and there, hehe) 8).
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Nømad on December 07, 2004, 09:21:51 PM
Yeah, I just skipped to the second page after reading the first post, and then I saw some posts I didn't understand and I was too lazy to scroll back to point 1, so if the voting's still intact,

Traditional, for all that's unholy! If that closed wikipethingy goes into action, then noone would have the energy to register their horde, or well, hardly anyone. And I don't even have a working email adress (hotmail messed it up), and I'm still very lazy, e.t.c.

As a conclusion, do you want your nice listing here to reduce to a total of 2, maybe 3 hordes?

Instead, you should focus on electing trustable rune players to controll the horde info like once a week or something, either giving the info discovered to you, or you simply give them administrative blablablabla... Noone's reading anyway, and my fingers are getting tired from all this typing, so...
Title: Re: Decide the future of the RUNE HORDES system!
Post by: Søren Bjerg on December 07, 2004, 09:49:15 PM
[...] If that closed wikipethingy goes into action, then noone would have the energy to register their horde, or well, hardly anyone. [...]
Nothing would be changed then; there aren't really that many new hordes being added to the system by the hordes themselves, as it is right now - and if it means the "dayfly" hordes won't get added to the system, it isn't really that much of a biggie anyways.

[...] And I don't even have a working email adress (hotmail messed it up) [...]
What would you want to use an e-mail for in this system? The only place on this site an e-mail would be useful, would be for signing up an account on the forum.

[...] Instead, you should focus on electing trustable rune players to controll the horde info like once a week or something, either giving the info discovered to you, or you simply give them administrative blablablabla [...]
That's pretty much how the closed Wikipedia-ish system is going to work; trusted RUNE players getting semi-administrative access (RHI helpers) - allowing them to update the hordes' information, whereas people having added their horde is only able to edit the horde's information of their own horde (using the password, not via forum account permissions like the RHI helpers).